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Response to “Reproductive Health Bill: the Bible’s Viewpoint vs. the Catholic Church’s”

Well, I’ve spent the last fifteen minutes trying to post another reply at this blog post over at Definitely Filipino — and my comment just won’t go through, so I’m doing it here.

The latest missive from “Kizmet”: Reproductive Health Bill: the Bible’s Viewpoint vs. the Catholic Church’s

LOL indeed Stef.

Those Bible texts were under the Mosaic Law. I meant Christian laws please. We are not under the Mosaic law today, are we?

Please try harder. ~_^


Jesus came to fulfill the law, not to abolish it. He Himself said it in Matthew 5:17-19:

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place. Therefore, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do so will be called least in the kingdom of heaven. But whoever obeys and teaches these commandments will be called greatest in the kingdom of heaven.”

He didn’t say, “Now that I’m here, forget all that Mosaic law rubbish. We’re starting over.”

You’re the one not doing your homework, my dear. Nice try. Here’s your assignment:

1. Show us where it says in the Bible that we should contracept or abort.
2. Show us where it says in the Bible that Jesus Christ proclaims Mosaic law as passé and should now be ignored or dismissed as such.

When you’ve done that, we can talk again. And seriously, I *am* listening, and I am keeping an open mind. Hope you are too. 🙂

And since I’m here, might as well respond to these:

At times, the Catholic Church fails to understand a simple statement as that. Despite being written in elementary English, the Bishops and the Pope after many years of burning their brows about theology are a disappointment to humanity. They erroneously lay claims to righteousness.

And we should take this person’s word as more credible and authoritative than the Pope’s and Bishops’ because……???? Are we expected to slap our foreheads and say, “Oh my gosh! That *IS* the truth! Now why in the world did we never hear of that or think of that before? Such wisdom in the youth!” As Chesterton says, “First it must be remembered that the Church is always in advance of the world. That is why it is said to be behind the times. It discussed everything so long ago that people have forgotten the discussion. St. Thomas was an internationalist before all our internationalists; St. Joan was a nationalist almost before there were nations; Blessed Robert Bellarmine said all there is to be said for democracy before any ordinary worldling dared to be a democrat; and (what is to the purpose here) the Christian social reform was in full activity… before any of these quarrels of fascists and Bolshevists appeared.”

Your “insights” have long been trumpeted by atheists, agnostics, and Catholic Church haters. Nothing new there.

As the American Standard Version Bible puts it: “Who art thou that judgest the servant of another? to his own lord he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be made to stand; for the Lord hath power to make him stand.”-Romans 14:4

And this means….? The Church proclaiming the truth is judging? Hmmm…. another “new idea”. Not.

As an institution of faith, it does not belong to the Catholic Church’s leaders who are themselves imperfect human beings the right to render judgment against their followers merely because the latter chooses to heed what the Bible really teaches.

But the author hasn’t adequately explained yet “what the Bible really teaches”. We wait with bated breath, Kizmet. Please show us where the Bible says we should contracept or abort.

Mankind does not exist to propagate only. If couples choose not to include pregnancy in constituting a family by employing any of the contraception methods, that is their decision to make, and no one reserves the right to judge them.

Strawman. You came upon this statement where? See if you can find it in the Catechism or any encyclical where it says, “Mankind exists to propagate only.” And again, “speaking the Truth” not = judging. I’ll grant you this: it may feel like judging to those who are not ready to see the Truth from the Bible’s or from the Church’s perspective. That’s okay. We can’t really help that sometimes. But I can tell you this: we hate being judged just as much as you do, so when we speak what we believe as Catholics, at least for my part, I am *not* judging you at all. I am a little frustrated that you can’t see things from my/the Church’s perspective, but that doesn’t mean I see myself as better than you in any way.

Oy, The Things They Ask!

Sunday, after Mass.

The 8-yo: “Mom, what’s an orgy?”

Mom, after brief prayer to the Holy Spirit: “It’s a party where people go really wild and do bad things.”

8-yo: “Mom, are we going to have a snack later?”

Sometimes I think the Holy Spirit responds, not by giving Mom awesome wise words to share with her children, but by confounding their young minds so they shift focus IMMEDIATELY. JUST. LIKE. THAT.

(Sunday’s Second Reading was Romans 13:11-14.)

“Not A Baby”: Exposing the Lies

How, one has to wonder, does Planned Parenthood/abortionists manage to abort so many babies under the guise of “reproductive health”? They lie. They take advantage of women who are too young, or inexperienced, or uninformed, or desperate enough to believe whatever a person they perceive as being in authority or able to “help” them says. Planned Parenthood’s motivation isn’t truth or helping women, it’s $$$, simply put.

Facts: The Acuna Case
Continuing investigation at Live Action.

Thou Shalt Not Kill: The Fifth Commandment in the Catechism

From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

2258 “Human life is sacred because from its beginning it involves the creative action of God and it remains for ever in a special relationship with the Creator, who is its sole end. God alone is the Lord of life from its beginning until its end: no one can under any circumstance claim for himself the right directly to destroy an innocent human being.”

2260 The covenant between God and mankind is interwoven with reminders of God’s gift of human life and man’s murderous violence. The Old Testament always considered blood a sacred sign of life. This teaching remains necessary for all time.

2261 Scripture specifies the prohibition contained in the fifth commandment: “Do not slay the innocent and the righteous.” The deliberate murder of an innocent person is gravely contrary to the dignity of the human being, to the golden rule, and to the holiness of the Creator. The law forbidding it is universally valid: it obliges each and everyone, always and everywhere.

2268 The fifth commandment forbids direct and intentional killing as gravely sinful. The murderer and those who cooperate voluntarily in murder commit a sin that cries out to heaven for vengeance.

Infanticide, fratricide, parricide, and the murder of a spouse are especially grave crimes by reason of the natural bonds which they break. Concern for eugenics or public health cannot justify any murder, even if commanded by public authority.

2270 Human life must be respected and protected absolutely from the moment of conception. From the first moment of his existence, a human being must be recognized as having the rights of a person – among which is the inviolable right of every innocent being to life.

2271 Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion, that is to say, abortion willed either as an end or a means, is gravely contrary to the moral law.

You shall not kill the embryo by abortion and shall not cause the newborn to perish. – Didache 2:2

God, the Lord of life, has entrusted to men the noble mission of safeguarding life, and men must carry it out in a manner worthy of themselves. Life must be protected with the utmost care from the moment of conception: abortion and infanticide are abominable crimes. – Gaudium et Spes – Pope Paul VI, 1965

2272 Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. “A person who procures a completed abortion incurs excommunication latae sententiae,” “by the very commission of the offense,” and subject to the conditions provided by Canon Law. The Church does not thereby intend to restrict the scope of mercy. Rather, she makes clear the gravity of the crime committed, the irreparable harm done to the innocent who is put to death, as well as to the parents and the whole of society.

2273 The inalienable right to life of every innocent human individual is a constitutive element of a civil society and its legislation:

The inalienable rights of the person must be recognized and respected by civil society and the political authority. These human rights depend neither on single individuals nor on parents; nor do they represent a concession made by society and the state; they belong to human nature and are inherent in the person by virtue of the creative act from which the person took his origin. Among such fundamental rights one should mention in this regard every human being’s right to life and physical integrity from the moment of conception until death. The moment a positive law deprives a category of human beings of the protection which civil legislation ought to accord them, the state is denying the equality of all before the law. When the state does not place its power at the service of the rights of each citizen, and in particular of the more vulnerable, the very foundations of a state based on law are undermined. . . . As a consequence of the respect and protection which must be ensured for the unborn child from the moment of conception, the law must provide appropriate penal sanctions for every deliberate violation of the child’s rights.” – Donum Vitae, III

2274 Since it must be treated from conception as a person, the embryo must be defended in its integrity, cared for, and healed, as far as possible, like any other human being.

Prenatal diagnosis is morally licit, “if it respects the life and integrity of the embryo and the human fetus and is directed toward its safe guarding or healing as an individual. . . . It is gravely opposed to the moral law when this is done with the thought of possibly inducing an abortion, depending upon the results: a diagnosis must not be the equivalent of a death sentence.” – Donum Vitae, I

2275 “One must hold as licit procedures carried out on the human embryo which respect the life and integrity of the embryo and do not involve disproportionate risks for it, but are directed toward its healing the improvement of its condition of health, or its individual survival.”

It is immoral to produce human embryos intended for exploitation as disposable biological material. Certain attempts to influence chromosomic or genetic inheritance are not therapeutic but are aimed at producing human beings selected according to sex or other predetermined qualities. Such manipulations are contrary to the personal dignity of the human being and his integrity and identity” which are unique and unrepeatable. Donum Vitae I


2276 Those whose lives are diminished or weakened deserve special respect. Sick or handicapped persons should be helped to lead lives as normal as possible.

2277 Whatever its motives and means, direct euthanasia consists in putting an end to the lives of handicapped, sick, or dying persons. It is morally unacceptable.

Life, in Sacred Scripture

Children too are a gift from the Lord, the fruit of the womb, a reward.
Like arrows in the hand of a warrior are the children born in one’s youth.
Blessed are they whose quivers are full. – Psalm 127:3-5

Before I formed you in the womb I knew you. – Jeremiah 1:5

On you I depend since birth; from my mother’s womb you are my strenth; my hope in you never wavers. – Psalm 71-6

You shall not kill. – Exodus 20:13

You formed my inmost being;
you knit me in my mother’s womb.
I praise you, so wonderfully you made me;
wonderful are your works!
My very self you knew;
my bones were not hidden from you,
When I was being made in secret,
fashioned as in the depths of the earth.
Your eyes foresaw my actions
in your book all are written down;
my days were shaped,
before one came to be. – Psalm 139:13-16

Can a mother forget her infant,
be without tenderness for the child of her womb?
Even should she forget,
I will never forget you. – Isaiah 49:15

[Scripture Passages from the New American Bible]

Want more?

The Bible’s Teaching Against Abortion, by Fr. Frank Pavone.

Prayer to God, the Father of All Life

8 Weeks after Conception

Eternal God, You have revealed Yourself as the Father of all Life.
We praise You for the Fatherly care which You extend to all creation, and especially to us, made in Your image and likeness.

Father, extend Your hand of protection to those threatened by abortion, and save them from its destructive power.
Give Your strength to all fathers, that they may never give in to the fears that may tempt them to facilitate abortions.

Bless our families and bless our land, that we may have the joy of welcoming and nurturing the life of which You are the source and the Eternal Father.

40 Days for Life Begins September 22, Wednesday

For Cincinnati area residents. The schedule is here if you’d like to sign up for a time slot.

There’s a weekly Friday night candlelight vigil from 7 to 9. This Friday is also Credo so we won’t be there. Hopefully next week we’ll be there if hubby is sufficiently recovered from his minor surgery.

If any homeschoolers are reading this and you’d like to join a group in praying at the PP on Auburn, e-mail me or comment here and I’ll provide you with details.

If you’re still not convinced this is something you need to get involved in, please take some time to watch this video, and then decide:

40 Days for Life at Keep God in America rally from David on Vimeo.

Pro-Life Doctor, Where Art Thou?


Looking for a pro-life doctor within an hour’s drive of Cincinnati who’s willing to order vaccines for us, not cultivated using aborted fetal cell lines.

We went back to our old pediatrician when we came back to Ohio. He doesn’t know a thing about aborted fetal cell lines and asked me to send him an e-mail with information. I sent it to him more than a month ago. No response.

Oldest dd saw a NAPRO doctor a week ago for a cyst issue and I find out he also does pediatrics. (I would have taken her to see my ob-gyn who is (mostly) pro-life, but they would have prescribed BCPs. No thanks.) Today I phoned to find out if he would order the pro-life vaccines for us, but no, his nurse hasn’t ever heard of this either. They do space out vaccines which is what some families I know do.

I googled “pro-life doctor Cincinnati” and found one in Dayton, about 45 minutes from here. Called his office. Disconnected. Cannot find his info anywhere else online. ETA: I found him!

Eight years ago when our then 2-month-old was diagnosed neutropenic, she had to stay away from vaccines for 1 1/2 years. A good thing because that was about the same time I learned about Children of God fo Life. I spent quite some time researching and decided that we needed a pro-life doctor to administer her next shots when the right time came. Four years ago we went back to Cincinnati and the first thing I looked for was such a doctor. I got 2 recommendations. One wasn’t taking new patients. One never responded to voice mail messages that I left. We ended up taking her to our old pediatrician, letting her receive the regular vaccines and just prayed that nothing untoward would happen and that we weren’t culpable — he did say the vaccines are now cultured “synthetically” — whatever that means. I’m not a science person so my understanding is limited. I’m concerned about both the religious and moral implications as well as the health implications, autism on the rise and all that….

So I’m still on the hunt. The “nearest” ones to us are a couple of hours away at least.

I may just have to opt for St. Louis, and time it for when we visit my folks.

Pro-life resources:

COG for Life
Pope Paul VI Institute
One More Soul

Africa Unit Study, St. Charles Lwanga

How timely (and ironic, but more on that later) that we’re doing our Africa unit study and today is the feast day of St. Charles Lwanga and Companions! I’m keeping it simple (everyone’s still recovering, bad coughs all around) so we’re simply going to read from the Liturgy of the Hours, which includes a portion of the homily delivered by Pope Paul VI at the canonization of these martyrs of Uganda.

Here are some useful links:

Catholic Culture for June 3
Black Martyrs at the National Black Catholic Congress website
Amandazi from Catholic Cuisine — but since I’m stocked with African ingredients already we’ll stick with the menu plan for the day — these sound really yummy though
lots of information at the Women for Faith and Family website
found this link at 4real, to jclubcatholic, suitable for younger kids

Our library doesn’t have a copy of African Triumph by Charles Dollen and I didn’t look for it in time to purchase it for today :(.

Ironic that this day is the feast of African martyrs who gave their lives for purity and for the Christian faith, in a month which our African-American president declares LGBT Pride Month. These martyrs died just 125 years ago.

St. Charles Lwanga, pray for us!

From Liturgy of the Hours:

You have made the blood of the martyrs
the seed of Christians.
May the witness of Saint Charles and his companions
and their loyalty to Christ in the face of torture
inspire countless men and women
to live the Christian faith.
We ask this though our Lord Jesus Christ, Your Son,
who lives and reigns with You and the Holy Spirit,
one God, for ever and ever. Amen.

My Catholic Faith Delivered!

Really exciting news landed in my reader box today:

My Catholic Faith Delivered

They have pricing info so far on the Faith and Life series. I’m interested in the Didache as well. Strongly considering signing up. I’m not giving up the one-on-one and the group discussions as those are vital, but this should free up some time so I can do some of the fun liturgical stuff as well which is usually what falls through the cracks. Besides that, I am excited about the Steve Ray videos incorporated into it, and all the neat features they’ve built in. An enthusiastic two thumbs up for Faith and Life Online!